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Spin Zone / Re: This just in!
« on: November 16, 2016, 02:37:36 PM »
Is a president who tells us what's really going on, contradicting media stories, a good thing? Some here have denounced Twitter and the President Elect's use of it. But I think hearing from him in real time could be a great thing.

So far today:

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
Australia, New Zealand, and more. I am always available to them. @nytimes is just upset that they looked like fools in their coverage of me.

I have recieved and taken calls from many foreign leaders despite what the failing @nytimes said. Russia, U.K., China, Saudi Arabia, Japan,

The failing @nytimes story is so totally wrong on transition. It is going so smoothly. Also, I have spoken to many foreign leaders.

Not sure that any of that really tells us anything.  But, if the President-elect wants to Tweet... go for it.

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Spin Zone / Re: Obamacare
« on: November 16, 2016, 01:42:13 PM »
It is good for one or two years if I recall. But once again, that wasn't my point. It was just that the scheme to cover preexisting conditions already exists in some form.

At some point, if you're covered under long-term health insurance, it's no longer a preexisting condition, is it?

You could have people with preexisting conditions covered by a state's high risk pool or even Medicare until such time as that condition is resolved, at which point the individual could go to private insurance. 

Blowing up insurance companies' underwriting models was just a ridiculous power grab.

I believe that COBRA is only available for employer sponsored insurance.  Don't know of any employee sponsored insurance that excludes pre-existing conditions.  So, if one has an employee sponsored plan, and is terminated, laid-off or leaves, COBRA is available for 18 months.  What happens to that person after the 18 months?  I think you are saying that those people should go to a high risk pool subsidized by the taxpayers?

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Spin Zone / Re: Obamacare
« on: November 16, 2016, 12:18:42 PM »
I don't believe COBRA is any more expensive than the full price of the policy your former employer paid. 

But that's not my point. My point is the model exists.  The ACA didn't give us a new-to-the-industry concept of covering preexisting conditions. It already existed. We can improve on it, certainly.

Would have to check, but I think COBRA is only good for a limited period of time.  It was not meant to be long term health insurance.

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Spin Zone / Re: This just in!
« on: November 16, 2016, 10:52:26 AM »
I thought that "breaking news" about DJT going out to dinner was a joke! But no! We really need the ROTFLMAO smiley.

"Trump ditches media - the peoples' eyes and ears - again."


http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/11/trump-goes-out-to-dinner-press-has-hissy-fit.php

Actually, having the President-elect ditching the media for dinner is kinda cool!  More power to him.

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Spin Zone / Re: Hold Trump's Feet to the Fire
« on: November 16, 2016, 10:47:45 AM »
My answer: Willing Trump supporters will let slide some fuzzy modification and some failure to meet a promise or two. Long-time Conservatives who unwillingly supported Trump will be pissed.

Possibly.  Seem to see more quotes along the lines of...  The President-elects speaks figuratively not literally.   That was fine as Candidate Trump, the bar is much higher as President Trump.  The President-elect made a point of "plain speaking", if we all need a Rosetta stone to interpret what the President-elect really means when he says something, please let me know where to find it.  ;)

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Spin Zone / Re: Hold Trump's Feet to the Fire
« on: November 16, 2016, 10:01:33 AM »
(I'm not sure I'd call President-elect Trump's win a mandate)

wouldn't it be best if the progress was made in a manner that the country as a whole agreed with?

That is, if it's legitimately viewed as ramming the agenda down the throats of the country, that would spell real problems for the mid-term elections and for long-term progress in general.

Sounds reasonable.

The President-elect promised a lot of things in a clear, easy to understand format:

Build the Wall
Put her in jail
Bring back jobs
Deport illegal immigrants
Bomb the crap out of ISIS
Re-negotiate trade agreements
Make our allies pay their share.....

How do you think the President-elect's base will react if these do not happen or are kinda fuzzy modifications?

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Spin Zone / Re: Separated at birth?
« on: November 16, 2016, 09:49:11 AM »
Fun thread!

That's pretty funny!  The resemblance is amazing.

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Spin Zone / Re: How could we split up the country?
« on: November 16, 2016, 09:35:01 AM »
Thank Hillary's husband for that move.

Didn't know Hillary was married to Ronald Reagan.  ;)

https://www.ssa.gov/history/1983amend.html

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Spin Zone / Re: How could we split up the country?
« on: November 15, 2016, 02:24:30 PM »
We had a economic boom under Reagan, then Clinton, so yes it is just not party.  However, the Clinton boom came with a Republican Congress.  We will have an economic boom under Trump.  It is not a party thing, it I just time, and people want it.  We are tired of stagnation.

And, we have had recessions under both as well.  The Republicans owned the President, House and Senate from 2001 through 2006 (although 2001/2002 was a bit funky with some party switching and a death), then came 2008  :'( :'(.  No, I do not lay all the blame on the Republicans for the 08/09 crash, those seeds were planted long before that - it was a cooperative effort.  We shall see if we get a boom, do hope so...  With the rest of the world in a major funk, I have my doubts, more likely a slow 2-3% for a few more years.  But, then again, all it takes is a crazy to assassinate a Saudi prince or other head of state and things will change overnight.

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Spin Zone / Re: How could we split up the country?
« on: November 15, 2016, 10:18:08 AM »
Excellent post!  A wonderful job of clearly explaining your thoughts!  Do have some alternate views as below.

The divide is mostly urban vs rural.  I am coming to the realization that it's cultural more than ideological. The urban culture has become completely disconnected from people that live closer to the earth and in small communities. Paradoxically they claim to care about the planet, but they are now generations away from having to grow their own food. They don't actually have a relationship with nature yet they see themselves as protectors of their ideal vision of "the environment" (a vision based in fantasy).  They do not supply their own energy, it comes to them over wires and they barely have any understanding of how it gets there. They feel superior to "country hicks" and "rednecks" and with every generation the separation becomes wider. The overwhelming majority of people have barely any understanding of the economy, couldn't give you a definition of "socialism" if their lives depended on it. They vote Democrat simply because they are surrounded by others who vote that way, and are steeped in media that paints conservatives as the Face of Evil.

Do agree that the divide is more cultural rather than ideological.  Believe that is more a matter of the evolution of our society.  As we have grown and advanced technologically, more specialization is the result.  While it is true that urban populations have become less “conversant” concerning life in the rural areas, I don’t see that most urban folks are somehow disrespectful of the rural population.  I see it as more of a symbiotic relationship.  While it is true that the folks in Augusta MT probably supply the beef to the folks in Lynn MA, there is a trade in the fact the folks in Lynn MA can manufacture the turbines that supply the electricity to Augusta MT.  Neither rural or urban areas would have the level of success they now have without the other. While there is no doubt some city folks have the opinion that they are somehow superior to the “hick” rural folks, there are certainly folks in rural America that think city dwellers are stuck-up, condescending leeches.  Neither opinion is entirely correct.  Urban areas supply concentrated intellect and labor.  These are necessary in today’s society. 



This country is in reality a huge red mass with small spots of blue, but the small spots are so densely populated, and so ignorant of the people in the red areas, that they exist in a seething self important bubble. The big shock of the Trump win is that they were forced to recognize that real people exist in that empty "flyover country". These inferior "rednecks" forced them to take notice by denying them the assumed first female President. It's just taking a toy from a toddler is all. I'm convinced that the great majority of rioters and cry babies have no real clue about the policy differences between Trump and Hillary, they are simply shocked that people they so look down upon were able to take away their expected result.  I don't even think they give a crap about Hillary.  Their real problem is they feel like a parent swooped in and took something away from them, and that parent is the horrible, racist, unenlightened stupid person they have, until now, forgot existed. The cities don't like being reminded we exist because without us, they have no food and no energy. This is their deep subconscious fear. Their hatred of us is due to their dependence on us.  Like a toddler resenting his dependence on mommy and daddy. But it's worse. It's more like masters who depend on slaves to work the plantation, or royalty in a medieval castle who have serfs that must turn over a large portion of their crops and goods. They are most comfortable pretending we don't exist, as long as they get their food and energy (and tax dollars).  You can expect extreme efforts to overthrow the Electoral College, because the EC is what gives us large red areas power.

I suspect that the part about the “huge red mass with small spots of blue” comes from the voting results by county.  While accurate, its use does require some caution.  If a county voted 50.0001% Republican, it is red.  Perhaps a better view might be a map that such as this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#/media/File:Gastner_map_purple_byarea_bycounty.png

There are LOTS of areas of purple, where the differentiation between red/blue is much more muddled.  There are very few areas where it is clearly red or blue. 

As far as that “hatred” between the left and right, that certainly exists on both sides and the media does tend to highlight the events in urban/suburban areas.  Understand your point of the “crybabies” and their ignorance of other people.  The protests and whining by some on the left just shows their level of information, I agree with you in that they need to “grow up”.  On the opposite side however, there are many people who professed belief (including our President-elect) that President Obama was born in Kenya and is a practicing Muslim.  Lack of accurate information and critical thinking is not strictly a Democratic or Republican characteristic.


There is no possible way to divide the country. It will be the Big House with no fields or woods. The Castle with no hunting lands or tenants.  The blue areas cannot separate and survive, even the blue states are mostly red when you look at it by county.  For a long time now the trend has been for the population to move from rural to urban and as far as I can see, that imbalance will continue to grow.  That may mean if Republicans continue to win by EC, the popular vote will go the other way more often, until even the EC won't be enough for Republican wins.  As people move to the cities, their children are "absorbed" into the urban culture.

Believe that dividing the country would be a big mistake and won’t happen.  Very few of us can survive and prosper on our own, we need the help and cooperation of others, that is particularly, but not exclusively, true in urban and suburban areas.  The EC is a good idea and I support its use.  The EC provides that balance geographically and mutes the effect of concentrated urban areas.  Don’t believe it is going away.  Over time, political power has swayed back and forth.  At the moment the Republicans have the control; it will defiantly change in the future.

So I expect this nation will go Democrat again before long. If we're lucky we'll have eight years of Trump and an economic boom, but it will all be reversed again because Democrats don't grasp economics. They don't see the connection between lower taxes and individual prosperity; they vote on emotion and "causes" not based in fact and reality.  We'll eventually decline into socialist Hell and probably break apart into fiefdoms, or be forced to stay together like the Soviet Union.

Time will tell if we have an economic boom, no one really knows.  To say that economic boom times are strictly a Republican or Democratic event is not born out from history.  Our economy is complicated, inter-related and increasingly global, I’m not a believer that lower taxes automatically equals prosperity, too many other factors involved, think that how taxes are levied is far more important than the actual rate.  Certainly many people, on both sides of the aisle vote with emotion.  However, I do believe most people vote based on their current well being and the hope things will get better. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Obamacare
« on: November 14, 2016, 04:43:26 PM »
I bought the Kindle version of his book "The America We Deserve" which was written in 2000 - it lays out the positions he held back then. On health care insurance there is this quote (text bolding is mine, does not appear in the original):

Snip

I could quote in more detail on his plan, but the above should give some idea of his position 16 years ago. Given what has transpired in the 16 years since that book was written, hard to say what will happen going forth. Besides, Trump has to get any changes past congress, and vice-versa.

Interesting... appreciate you posting that.  Another good book on the evolution of health care (in particular - ObamaCare - or as more accurately named - BaucusCare) is "America's Bitter Pill" by Steven Brill.  Well researched and referenced.  Gives a somewhat different picture on the development of the ACA than commonly portrayed.

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Spin Zone / Re: Not even inaugurated yet, he makes great deals for USA!
« on: November 11, 2016, 09:43:13 AM »
1) Oil independence.  Use our resources (which are abundant) and stop buying from countries that don't like the US.

2) China put a military base in Tijuana?   No problem, we beef up our military in the area and strongly enforce our border.

3) Cars coming from Mexico have new import tax?  No problem, bring the manufacturing back to the US, no import tax (and US gets the jobs, added bonus)

4) They buy Airbus and not Boeing?   No problem, Airbus has a plant in Mobile, AL.   Airbus does not have a plant in Mexico or SA.

1.) We ain't there yet.  You advocating that the US government tell the US oil majors that they can only buy from an "approved" list of suppliers?

2.) So we build bigger walls with more barbed wire and escalate?  Where you gonna come up with the revenue to do that, borrow more?

3.) Suspect that the execs at GM, Ford, Honda...will not be happy when you tell them their investments in Mexico have just gone down the tubes AND they now need to expend additional capital to relocate to the US.

4.) We embargoed Mexico, can't ship airplanes from Mobile AL to Mexico.  However, Airbus will be more than willing to sell Mexico airplanes manufactured in Toulouse.

Trade wars don't help anyone.

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Spin Zone / Re: Not even inaugurated yet, he makes great deals for USA!
« on: November 11, 2016, 08:59:50 AM »
Just threaten Mexico with Trade Embargoes for non U.S. company goods, and you will see them pay for the wall.  They are causing the problem with illegal aliens coming to the U.S.  Let them fix it.  Trump has more success in business than he has had failure, a lot more.

Well that would be fun!.  Would you follow through on that threat if Mexico still refuses?  An embargo would be devastating to Mexico in the short term, creating more people with nothing left to lose.  So... we slap that embargo, Mexico come back and says, OK, y'know that 500,000 barrels/day of oil we ship you, China said they would take it all at a slightly above market price - all they asked is we let them use a small patch of land near Tijuana  for a military base, we weren't using the land anyway.  Also, all those cars manufactured in Mexico now have a 10% exit tax.  And, by the way, we are buying Airbus, not Boeings.

Yes, that is extreme, but playing international tit-for-tat, while satisfying, does have consequences.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump & Ryan
« on: November 11, 2016, 07:00:26 AM »
I don't know.... repatriating $2-3 Trillion might give the ol' economy a little bump...

That is possible.  Yet, there is no obligation for those companies to return that money here nor is there any way the government could force those companies to spend it in ways that would increase jobs in the US.  More than likely those companies will continue to do what they are now doing, invest the money such that they get the best return.

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Spin Zone / Re: Not even inaugurated yet, he makes great deals for USA!
« on: November 10, 2016, 08:06:15 PM »
Mexicans?  Democrats?  Same thing.  :)

Ya got me there!!  ;D

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