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Spin Zone / Re: PoA MC touchy after the election
« on: November 30, 2016, 04:28:18 PM »
Quote from: Little Joe on November 30, 2016, 04:18:50 PM
I suspect you are joking, but your logic is inverted.  Mari and POA are providing the safe space.  The refugees (Us spin-zoners) feel that is unnecessary and counter productive.

Some tongue in cheek there.  ;D

But the logic is correct.  POA is a private web board, they can make whatever rules they want or provide whatever "space" they want.  Not a single person is required to go there.  If the site doesn't suit oneself, don't go there, it is all a matter of choice. I thought freedom of choice was a tenant of the right??

Personally, closing down spin zone was a big disappointment, but I understand that it was their call.

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Spin Zone / Re: PoA MC touchy after the election
« on: November 30, 2016, 03:57:40 PM »
Quote from: Lucifer on November 30, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
Mari just locked another one:

https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/did-no-one-see-this-coming.99631/page-2

 Hey, PoA management, do yourself a favor and ban this woman.

Private webboard, they make the rules, no one is forced to go there.  You are sounding like a snowflake, do you need a safe space to protect you from those evil villains at POA?

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Spin Zone / Re: Electoral College
« on: November 30, 2016, 01:27:16 PM »
Quote from: Little Joe on November 30, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
Back in high school (almost 50 years ago), I read about a study where rats were put into an overcrowded environment.  There were lots of conclusions drawn about their behavior, but the conclusions that stuck with me is that two behavior traits became common:  homosexuality and cannibalism.

 ;D  Oh-No!!  We now have to add a "C" to the LGBT community?

Understand your point about "greediness".  That most certainly occurs, don't believe that is a trait exclusively of liberal socialists.

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Spin Zone / Re: They still don't get it
« on: November 30, 2016, 11:10:25 AM »
Don't have a lot of use for Ms. Pelosi.  Never particularly impressed me with her thinking.  She is however, quite good at the job of minority leader.  Whatever, the Dems can choose who they wish.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump already winning!
« on: November 30, 2016, 11:07:52 AM »
Quote from: Becky on November 30, 2016, 10:37:35 AM
Was wondering about BO's EOs so looked them up.

Can easily see where Trump might leave a passel of 'em on the cutting room floor to free up businesses and cut waste.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama-subjects.html

Possibly. Looking at the list, a fair number are corrections, amendments and continuances of EO's issued by other Presidents.  Others are pretty innocuous , normal course of business. 

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Spin Zone / Re: Electoral College
« on: November 30, 2016, 09:29:52 AM »
Quote from: Anthony on November 30, 2016, 09:19:53 AM
I'd like to see some objective research on this as well.  I am just guessing, but I believe it is a form of peer pressure, and just hearing liberal/progressive views from others day in, and day out until a subtle (or not so subtle) form of indoctrination occurs.  People like to "fit in", and when education, media, and your own government tells you something over, and over again, people tend to believe it. 

I have seen this in my area which used to be semi-rural, and over the last twenty years has transformed into suburbia on the fringe of rural.  Hillary won my county by a small margin, but just a few years ago, that would never have happened.     

Dunno..  The higher the population density the greater the need for cooperation, shared infrastructure and shared services.  It is also harder to be involved in local governmental affairs.  That almost by necessity requires more "rules of conduct".  It is a lot tougher to be a "rugged individualist" in a city.  Greater population density also provides a concentration of skilled labor and intellect, easier transport and communication.  Then again, historically, cites were not exclusively democratic, nor were rural areas strictly Republican.  As far as city voters, seems to me they tend to vote for whoever can demonstrate they can provide those services.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trophy Points? WTH?
« on: November 30, 2016, 08:25:49 AM »
Quote from: Bob Noel on November 29, 2016, 07:58:48 PM
Went back to POA after a long absence.

They have "trophy points"

 ;)  Never really understood that concept or how it helps a web-board.

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Spin Zone / Re: Electoral College
« on: November 30, 2016, 08:23:38 AM »
Quote from: Little Joe on November 30, 2016, 08:10:29 AM
That exercise would only be valid if the rules were established in advance of the campaign.  As Trump said, if the election were based on popular vote, he would have campaigned more in New York, California and Florida and hew would probably have won any way.
That he would have campaigned differently is valid.  Him winning anyway is conjecture, but the point is; you can't change the rules AFTER the election on an assumption that the rule changes would not have affected any other aspect of the vote.

True. Didn't advocate in any way that the rules should be changed - just a mental exercise.  Had the rules been different, the type of campaign would have been different for both candidates.  Would that have changed the result - I have no idea.

Quote from: Little Joe on November 30, 2016, 08:10:29 AM
Democrats are perfectly justified if they wish to sponsor legislation that will change the rules for future elections.  But debating the results of the past election that were carried out under a set of rules that have been in effect forever is not justified.  And whining about it afterwards is pitiable.

As are the Republicans (will they change the Senate filibuster rules now that it favors them?).  ;D  Debating about the results is what we do here, it is part of the fun!  That being said, the election is over, time to move on.  Seems that every election has some measure whining by the losers (or their supporters), it's pretty bi-partisan.

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Spin Zone / Re: Electoral College
« on: November 30, 2016, 08:03:46 AM »
Quote from: Becky on November 29, 2016, 09:09:19 PM
Allen B. West:

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.

Not sure where Mr. West got his data, I'll assume it is correct.  This does illustrate that data, while accurately reported, can be mis-leading.  Since a county can be colored either red or blue (depending on who won), Mr West uses that method even if a candidate "won" by only a single vote.  Since no county voted 100% Republican or 100% Democratic, a better way may be to use additional colors to represent the balance between the two.  Did find a site that tried to do that:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/

There is a LOT of purple out there.  There is no doubt the President-elect lost the overall popular vote, yet had a very comfortable margin in the electoral college.  This is a consequence of "winner takes all".  Haven't found any data, but would be an interesting exercise to see what the result would be if the electoral votes were awarded proportionally to popular vote in the states.

Quote from: Becky on November 29, 2016, 09:09:19 PM
Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country.

Neither should the more sparsely populated areas exclusively speak for the more densely populated areas.  Elections are all about individual votes, not acreage.  The electoral college does try to balance that to some extent, perhaps imperfectly, but it is better than nothing.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump already winning!
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:09:51 AM »
That is good news for the workers and economy in Indianapolis! Have you seen any details of what the deal entails?

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Spin Zone / Re: Government Waste
« on: November 30, 2016, 07:07:27 AM »
Bring back the "Golden Fleece Awards"?

Can't argue that all those projects seem stupid, but things have gone on like that for as long as I can remember, through all administrations.  The tough part is getting the word down through management that these things need to be eliminated.  Often times a dubious project has the support of a member of Congress, particularly back in the pork barrel days.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump eviscerates media bosses.
« on: November 22, 2016, 04:33:02 PM »
The President-elect can say whatever he wishes.  We will see if that effects the media, they may become more accommodating or increase their scrutiny.

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Spin Zone / Re: Trump News Dump
« on: November 22, 2016, 04:29:22 PM »
Quote from: asechrest on November 22, 2016, 03:00:01 PM
Thought I'd aggregate some stuff I've read today from my Google news feed.

Trump meets with NY Times after all
Won't direct investigation against Clinton
Trump Foundation appears to have violated self-dealing regulations
Keeping an open mind about climate change accord
On conflicts of interest

Wouldn't put too much stock in those reports, after all the President-elect speaks figuratively, not literally.  Since he isn't yet President and hasn't really taken any action yet, things could change.

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Spin Zone / Re: How could we split up the country?
« on: November 16, 2016, 07:09:42 PM »
Quote from: YouOnlyLiveTwice on November 16, 2016, 06:38:16 PM
Where did the money come from to invest?

Cool!  ;)  Be happy to play that game.  Where does any money come from?

It's a circular argument, sorta like saying governments workers don't pay taxes.

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Spin Zone / Re: How could we split up the country?
« on: November 16, 2016, 02:44:04 PM »
Quote from: YouOnlyLiveTwice on November 16, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Capital gains comes from money already taxed at least once.

I'd like to see a return to 1912.

Don't follow you there.  If I buy an asset at $100 and later sell it for $200, that is a capital gain of $100.  How has that $100 already been taxed at least once?

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