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Spin Zone / Re: Removing McCarthy as speaker?
« on: October 05, 2023, 08:24:39 AM »I disagree that there is no right or wrong. Gaetz may have won the battle, but put Republicans at serious risk of losing the war, with the war being the November 2024 election. The squishy middle will see Republicans unable to govern, while the Marxists on the left side of the aisle sit and look like the sane ones.
You fight this battle when you have the numbers; you don’t fight the battle by needing to side with the Marxist wing of the House of Representatives.
Have you asked yourself why all the Democrats were willing to side with the Gaetz 8? What’s in it for them? Maybe McCarthy was better for conservatives than they thought.
I’ll side with Mark Levin, Jim Jordan, Thomas Massie, Wisconsin conservatives in the House and other conservatives over Matt Gaetz.
"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.[1] Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, January 30, 1787
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