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I'm not sure that trying to apply critical thought is that rare - a recent Pew poll found that 38% of Americans identify as politically independent, though to be sure only 10% stood out as truly non-partisan. But that's hardly rare. And I certainly have my biases - one of mine is that when someone is a State or DOJ or judicial system professional with a long career and a sterling reputation, it's a pretty high bar for me to feel comfortable accusing them of bias or unprofessional or improper behavior. That's why during the Kavanaugh hearings, while I thought Blasey Ford should be listened to, I also felt that unless her testimony could be corroborated, it shouldn't derail his confirmation. It's the same way with Comey and now Mueller - it's going to be hard to convince me that either of them acted out of bias against Trump, particularly as Mueller is reported to be a lifelong and registered Republican. Strzok has already met that standard with his texts/emails, but with Mueller all we have is speculation.

No. I said IF she did it because we don't REALLY know that she did... but yeah, we know. Either she, or someone she trusted enough to give access to the server, erased those emails. And it was (yeah, I know) a "deplorable" - not to mention criminal - act.

Could you please explain your reasons for thinking this? Thanks.

You don’t have mob mentality. Yes I think that is the minority if not rare. I’m trying to compliment you, just take it. ;D

My reasons for thinking the right is correct in this whole Mueller investigation are that I’ve been following it for two years. It’s what makes logical sense and fits all the facts.

Seriously which to do you find easier to believe? That Trump conspired with Putin to fix the election so he could be president? Or that Trump haters who were shocked when Hillary lost and the world as they knew it was turned upside down tried to make it right again?

Trump didn’t need Putin. All he had to do was pay attention to the people the left has been ignoring. The rust belt, the unemployed, the small business owners, the non-violent prisoners. He correctly identified what the voters have grown to hate about Washington and used that to win.

Those involved in this Russia circus are those disconnected elite and well know it, and feel extremely threatened that an outsider beat their sure to win candidate. They didn’t see it coming and felt a loosening of their grip on power, and reacted by trying to find a way to destroy Trump.

You needn’t go any further than the leftist Michael Moore to know why Trump won. Moore predicted his win, and for the reasons I said above, before the election, and long before anyone thought to accuse Trump of conspiring with Russia. How Trump won is pretty clear.

But those who stay in the delusional bubble can’t make sense of it, and can’t accept the result. There is no better blatant evidence of that mindset than the strzzzok page texts. “Trump can’t possibly win but if for some reason god forbid he does, we will undo it somehow.”

They said that before the election. And then the whole investigation began - this hangs together logically. Much more believable than Trump meeting up with Putin and somehow manipulating the Electoral College.

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Just to refresh, can you list, with specificity, just how Trump attempted to obstruct investigators?  I keep hearing that, but with no evidence.

Trump didn’t conspire or obstruct anything. He struck back verbally and very justifiably against the real conspiracy: the effort by a cabal of very biased operators using their positions of power to attempt to undo a constitutional election result. If these people aren’t brought to justice the United States as we know it is over. It will signal the left that they can get away with this shit.

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I try to read both sides also, and as I do watch local news get a lot of the Left leaning feeds from the networks.  I have a TRUST issue with the so called science that promotes Man's cause of generating CO2 causing climate change.  There has been many incidents of cooking the numbers, changing historical data, and using assumptions to purposely get the outcomes they want.

The science has been politicized.  We're not talking about scientists making the A bomb, or curing cancer here.  We are talking about scientists driving economic policy through what I view as their political masters.  Man Made Climate Change is NOT an environmental movement but an economic and political movement.  They can't answer these basic questions.

1.  What percentage of climate change is naturally occurring and what percentage is due to Man's use of fossil fuels?

2.  Where will the money from more taxes, fees, cap and trade, and surcharges on fossil fuels go, and what will it be used for to "fix" Man's role in climate change?

3.  How will we know that the "fixes" are reducing Man's portion of climate change?  How will it be measured, especially if we have increases, or decreases in NATURALLY occurring climate change?

4.  How do we reconcile the impact of much higher energy costs, and higher costs for all products on the poor and middle income earner struggling to make ends meet?  Will they get an "energy subsidy" from government?

And if so how will that be paid for?  The answer of course, is forced transfer of wealth a.k.a. taxes, in other words, the wet dream of socialists and all other economic collectivists:  we take your money ultimately at the point of a gun, and redistribute as we see fit, administered by us, the anointed ones, the elite who know better than you, and who skim much of it for ourselves, so that we never suffer the poverty our policies cause.

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Wow. Nye is full of shit.

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Spin Zone / Re: Car keys that need batteries
« on: May 29, 2019, 07:25:19 AM »
*shrug*

People don't like it when their cars are stolen. Insurance companies don't like paying when cars are stolen. So keys now have chips in them that are read by the computer on the car. No chip, no start. And it's not new, my 2001 Ford F-150 had chip in key.

I solve that problem by driving a car no one wants.

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That is why when I use the word "liberal" I always add "progressive" as the progressive movement is socialism to a Totalitarian communist push.

Today’s liberal Democrat are indeed exactly that. The Green New Deal, the suggestion to outlaw private medical insurance, confiscating weapons from the citizens, tinkering with the electoral college to try to force all elections to favor a single party, all of this is to grab control of the economy and the people by an elite self appointed group.

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Spin Zone / Re: Now It's a "Cover up"
« on: May 23, 2019, 07:41:24 AM »
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/05/23/pelosi-schumer-continue-charade-later-think/

Demented insane deluded old lady.  I don't know how anyone can stomach these female communist bitches. God help us.

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Spin Zone / Re: Star Trek nerds
« on: May 22, 2019, 10:33:07 AM »
I never found her very attractive, certainly not next to Yeoman Rand.  However, Star Trek had some tough female competition in the looks department on just about every episode.

No she wasn't a classic beauty at all.  But I thought she was a good one to have a crush on Spock. Her personality was cool and logical, as a medical professional.

Yes they had some real knockouts in so many episodes.

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Spin Zone / Re: Star Trek nerds
« on: May 22, 2019, 06:01:07 AM »
You'd think, though, that Roddenberry would have insisted on a major role for her if that were the case. The only central cast role she ever had on Trek was as Nurse (later Dr.) Chapel. I know I'll mostly remember her as the god-awful Lwaxana Troi, the Counselor's mom, who appeared in some of the weakest TNG episodes ever made.

(Lwaxana did have a memorable appearance early on in DS9 though, where she managed to soften up - literally - the shape-shifting security officer, Odo, played by Rene Auberjonois. That's the only time I ever found her remotely tolerable.)

She did have a major role in the pilot, as “Number One” but at that time was only Roddenberry’s mistress. Roddenberry was married to someone else. NBC was scandalized at giving her a big role so she was downgraded to Nurse Chapel. She and Roddenberry didn’t marry until after TOS was canceled.

I loved Nurse Chapel, and hate Lwaxana. It blows my mind hat they are played by the same woman!

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Spin Zone / Re: Star Trek nerds
« on: May 22, 2019, 05:52:04 AM »
Yes, they brought her back for the movies, but I forget which ones.  I was surprised to see she was born in 1930, so was in her mid to late thirties when TOS aired.  I was curious when Rush said she had a drinking problem, and indeed she did, but I think kicked it later in life.  That could have been a reason they canned her originally, but I an cynical so tend to believe her story that Roddenberry only wanted one blonde around, his fiancé, then wife.

Like so many things in life it may have been a combination of several reasons that finally tipped the decision.

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Spin Zone / Re: Star Trek nerds
« on: May 21, 2019, 06:02:09 PM »
Which was why they got rid of Grace Lee Whitney (Yeoman Rand) who was gorgeous, and played a great role.

There are rumors that Whitney had an alcohol problem and that too was part of the reason they fired her. The original plan was for there to be a sexual undercurrent between Rand and Kirk (and there was!) but then they decided they wanted Kirk to also have various encounters with other females and they thought that would be awkward so they got rid of her. It was a huge mistake, possibly the biggest mistake of the whole series, because fans loved Yeoman Rand and never forgave them for ditching her.

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Spin Zone / Re: Star Trek nerds
« on: May 21, 2019, 04:54:28 AM »
I remember watching TOS when it first aired, and was just amazed by it as a kid.  Of course in later years watched in reruns, but never watched the other Star Trek series.  I have seen a few Next Generation episodes, but just couldn't warm up to it.  I did see a few of the later movies with the original cast.  TOS was a social and technological statement of the times, and that's why it was so good. 

It is funny when they reference TOS on the Big Bang Theory.  I always wonder if younger audiences don't get those.

I was exactly like that; amazed as a kid by TOS and then later catching one or two TNG and not being able to warm up to it, actually feeling offended that it seemed to be trying to duplicate Spock in Data so I refused to give it a chance. Now I finally am begrudgingly and find myself enjoying it, it is good in its own way. But it doesn’t hold a candle to TOS. The incredible chemistry between Kirk, Spock and McCoy - there’s nothing like it on TNG whatsoever. TOS was indeed often really corny, especially with hokey special effects, but it was groundbreaking in its time. And the dynamism between the main characters of TOS is completely absent in TNG. Data’s quest for human emotion totally lacks the passion of Spock’s inner conflict about his already existing emotions. Beverly Crusher is ho hum compared to the feisty McCoy and Picard is a likeable and very competent Captain but totally lacks the dashing derringer do of Kirk, and while Kirk’s womanizing is a bit shameful by today’s standards, it did bring us to tears on more than one occasion (the death of his pregnant wife and that of the beautiful android).  And who can forget Shahna of “Gamersters of Triskelion” looking up at the stars and vowing to remember. Great stuff. There’s not one scene of TNG that comes close. I take that back, there is one - when Picard is made a Borg and a single tear comes out of his eye. That’s the only scene in four seasons that managed to make me care about the character.

Younger people who watched TNG as children probably like it better, we tend to be nostalgic about stuff in our childhood. TOS is badly dated, criticized for “racism” because Uhura was never given the bridge or “sexism” because women were openly appreciated for their beauty. In reality TOS was groundbreaking for social progress. Uhura as a black female just being a Starfleet lieutenant was an amazing leap forward. The kiss between Uhura and Kirk was a pivotal moment in entertainment, never before was it okay for mixed races to kiss on screen. It’s possible that it’s not possible to watch TOS today and enjoy it with the innocence of actually being alive in the 1960s.


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Spin Zone / Re: The Emperor has no clothes
« on: May 18, 2019, 09:36:43 AM »
I find it a scary read - it is the blue print for how to bring down the Republic and almost everyone, even those opposed to the Left, are blind to why.

The big take away I have is that it's not OK to for anyone to set aside their oversight.  Essentially, the Obama administration made a rule that said that they would have no oversight in certain areas.  They didn't jump to using FISA to spy on the Trump campaign, they grew into it.  If Hillary had won, they would have had 4 or 8 more years of doing that and who knows how much more they would have gone to?

Worse, because this isn't widely recognized, they get to try it again.  The next time they are in control of the government, expect them to continue to weaponize the government, using redefinition of law in order to protect themselves.  At this point, if they can string together 16 years of government, we may go past the tipping point.

IMO, the biggest threat to the United States today is the Democrat party.

You are right. That’s why it’s so important all of this is brought to light and prosecuted. These people must be brought to account and punished. This abuse cannot be allowed to happen again. And you are right, if this isn’t fixed now, I fear the nation is lost.


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Spin Zone / Re: The Emperor has no clothes
« on: May 17, 2019, 08:32:10 AM »
I saw this last night with a liberal who is very dear to me. The rest of us at dinner were conservatives. You could see she was trying ... but it all came back to how she FELT and how other people FELT. We’d lay out the case for reason and showed her how things could better be arranged for human flourishing. She would nod her head. And then shake her head. “But everyone needs to feel (insert liberal trigger word ... included, accepted, etc.).

And so on. I’m sure some of you are quite familiar with this.

Very familiar.  And not just in politics, and not just liberals. Although liberals in general form opinions based on feelings not logic and conservatives in general the reverse, there are exceptions.

Your story reminds me of one day many years ago when I was the single holdout at a table. It was on the subject of diet.  At the time I was a vegetarian, and eating extremely low fat.  I completely bought into the now debunked paradigm that fat, dietary cholesterol and meat were the evils that caused disease.  I was blathering on about it, when one person said I was flat out wrong. He mentioned Atkins, who I'd never heard of at the time. He laid down some logic about simple carbs being the real culprit, not fat and meat.  The other people at the table seemed to agree with him.  I was left attempting to defend my position alone. 

Here's the thing: At the time, I was following a "low fat" book that had been recommended to me by someone I regarded as a genius.  My feeling was that this person could never be wrong about anything, and THAT was the actual basis of my position. Because of that feeling I was not the least swayed. But I found myself without wind in my sails, because I could not refute him with facts and logic.

I was not convinced that day, but it had planted a seed.  I ended up buying the Atkins book, and Protein Power, and others and starting a quest for the truth.  As part of the process, as I began seeing the evidence, I had to take that person off the pedestal and admit he was human and could be mistaken.  In the end, he too came around, and now we are both exploring keto and even carnivore diets.

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Spin Zone / Re: What is it with Democrats on every level?
« on: May 14, 2019, 02:39:57 PM »
I think extreme behavior is prevalent among extremists. The particular behaviors Stan mentions are prevalent among leftist extremists, other behaviors are prevalent among ultra-right extremists. Branding of all Muslims as terrorists, all gays as degenerate, physically attacking liberal protestors (think Charlottesville). I'm not saying you or anyone here falls into that group.

I do think some of the crazier behavior might be more prevalent on the left because people tend to be more left-wing when they're young, and the brain centers that inhibit impulsive and violent behavior usually mature after one is legally an adult. Maybe even people who never develop good impulse control tend to be more liberal? I don't really know, that's just a thought.

I certainly don't want to defend liberals, or conservatives in this. I just don't particularly like "they" thinking that stereotypes a whole group, regardless of who does it. Both sides of the political spectrum do this, and it is part of why the country is so strongly polarized.

I agree there are extremists on both sides. And right now I do think much more on the left. Very interesting insight you have about why that may be! Correct that young people are more inclined to violent protest or any kind than older people and liberals tend to be younger.

I don’t know about impulse control. Jordan Peterson and Jonathan Haidt I think both have talked about personality traits of liberals and conservatives. Liberals are high in openness to new experiences. Conservatives are high in need for order. Neither is better or worse than the other. Without openness society becomes stagnant. Without order it is chaos and can’t function.

One of them used the issue of the border to illustrate. Without a border we don’t even have a country. Conservatives or those who need order want “the wall”. But if you close the country completely and never let anything or anyone in from the outside, you die as a nation. To thrive you need to trade and invite others in, but not in an uncontrolled manner.

There were other personality traits that seem inborn that differ between the camps. So there may be something to the idea we tend to be more drawn to one side or the other of the political spectrum.

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